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Explain to me how Alex S. Gonzalez is anything other than another David Bell.
posted by gr @ 3:17 PM
Wednesday, February 08, 2006
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He is very different. He is cheeper. He will platoon. He can be used at short especially if JROL goes down with injury. He will allow us to trade Bell to Kansas City.
Next Question Please.
SirAlden
he doesn't sound VERY diffrent to me. he is a lifetime .244 hitter. he strikes out at twice the rate that david bell does. his versitility is superfluous with nunez on the roster. he is 33 and coming off a decent year for him, but very average for anyone else. he offers little more then matt kata for 3 times the price. KC's third baseman is 24 and had david bell like numbers for 1/10 the price. bell trade or no, not an inspiring move.
next answer please.
He might bring in some extra revenue from casual, confused fans who think we just signed A-Rod on the cheap.
He led the league in 2003 for lowest errors at short. So he is the best range/backup at short now. Kata does not have his range.
He is cheeper.
He will allow us to dump Bell.
He will platoon and be happy about it.
Take your beans out of your ears. 4 Differerent answers.
Next Question Please.
SirAlden
again, your answer(s) is/are lacking.
i think its great that was a good fielder a few years ago at a position we don't need him for more than 12 games at (and already have someone else who can play there as a backup). wasn't 2003 the year he booted that ball in NLCS for the cubs?
you wrongly assume that bell's entire salary will go with him. if we eat a portion, we've gained even less. also, 'cheaper' is spelled with an 'a' in there.
we gain a guy with worse career numbers at the plate than bell (and a comparable 2005). bad as he was, bell had a few key hits down the strech, including a few game winning plays -- he wasn't completely worthless. this guy is no better.
reason 4 is fugazi, no need to even address it.
thanks for playing. you get the home version.
You're not getting the answer you want because you're asking the wrong question. The correct question is:
"How is Alex S. Gonzalez anything other than another Tomas Perez?"
And the answer is that, while he isn't as skilled with the pie, he's more skilled with both the bat and the glove.
now you're asking my questions for me? replacing david bell with alex gonzalez makes us no better off. thesis, front and back.
He fields better than Bell he lead the league in fewest errors at shortstop in 2003.
He can play Short.
He does not have back problems.
He is alot faster and does not ground into DP's, Bell led the league last year,he is faster and can platoon with a faster Nunez in the 8th Spot.
He fields better Bell or Gonzalez?
Who can play short better Bell or Gonzalez?
Who has a better back Bell or Gonzalez?
Who grounds into fewer double plays Bell or Gonzalez and can score from 2nd to home if sacrificed over by the pitcher Bell or Gonzalez?
SirAlden
who has a lifetime BA of .244, bell or gonzalez?
which vaunted defensive specialist made an error at SS to cost the Cubs Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS?
which guy hit .228 that year he played regularly at SS for the Cubs?
which guy who can apparently score from second had exactly 2 stolen bases last year to the other's one?
which guy struck out MORE than david bell last year in about 60% as many at bats?
which guy, despite back problems, has played at least 130 games each season in 7 of the past 8 years?
and finally, for the record:
doubleplays:
bell: 557 ABs, 24 DPs
ASG: 349 ABs, 13 DPs*
*=21 for 557ABs -- big improvement!
in a full time role, whatever we would gain by replacing bell in the field we would presumably lose -- LOSE! -- at the plate. i wouldn't have thought is was possible.
ASG is terrible -- david bell terrible.
He fields better Bell or Gonzalez?
Who can play short better Bell or Gonzalez?
Who has a better back Bell or Gonzalez?
Who grounds into fewer double plays Bell or Gonzalez and can score from 2nd to home if sacrificed over by the pitcher Bell or Gonzalez?
So your post did not answer any of the questions you dumb ass, aside from DPs which Gonzalez has less of and a much faster runner. You finish to say Bell is a Better Hitter vs. Better defense. Nunez/Gonzalez is better than Bell or Nunez/Bell. Bell is history. Addition by subtraction, and with a proven Shortstop on the bench Rollins will maybe lay off a few more of the high hard ones he pops up so frequently.
In any case, to each of my quesions the answer is Gonzalez. So take the beans and your fingers out of your ears and stop saying nah nah nah Bell batted .199 against righthanders last year and made some great stops with the glove and any errors which led to losses. Defense wins games, and lowers era's.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-02092006-610575.html
Gonzalez will push Perez and or Bell off the team - Gonzalez and Nunez both are Shortstops. Read the article in the burbs.
You're not getting the answer you want because you're asking the wrong question. The correct question is:
"How is Alex S. Gonzalez anything other than another Tomas Perez?"
first of all, don't comment here if you're going to get into name calling. second, i can't keep answering my original question for you, i do have a job (and a real name). third, your original answer was "He is very different." you have failed to offer anything of substance to back this up. look at the numbers, the ages, and the workload and you'll see he not much diffrent at all. (by the way, saying he's faster than bell doesn't make him faster than bell.) aside from ASG's low error count, you have ZERO statistics in your favor. aside from being able to play shortshop 12 times next year -- when did this become a need -- he offers NOTHING to this team above david bell's expected performance. there is extremely minimal difference between bell/nunez and ASG/nunez. the facts and i just can't be any clearer on this.
Perhaps I'm having trouble understanding your question - at what point did anyone ever say Alex Gonzalez was a) replacing David Bell or b) better than David Bell?
It seems clear to me that Gonzalez was brought in to replace Tomas Perez and, in a best case scenario, maybe challenge Bell for playing time.
But if you wish to force an answer to your question, I'd have to say that Gonzalez is slightly worse offensively and slightly better defensively than David Bell. So, he's essentially another David Bell except that he's about $4 million cheaper.
Does that work?
the original answer again was:
-He is very different.
-He will allow us to trade Bell to Kansas City.
my answer to that is:
-He will produce essentially the same in David Bell's place.
-Cheaper tho he may be, it is not assured that we could (a) get rid of bell and (b) it won't cost us some portion of his salary.
so, this signing really hasn't gotten us much, especially if it means pushing one of our extra IFs into the OF.
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